what mic for recording hihat and snare

I know about SM57 for snare and maybe AKG 451 for Hihat, but any other suggestions are welcome... what about a big condenser like U87 on snare or hihat? any experiances? thanks

I was never happy with the sound I got from using a SM57 on a Snare, it always sounded too weedy. I know you can fix it with EQ but I just prefer to get a good sound to start with. The session I did the other day I used a Audio Technica ATM31a on the Snare and it gave a really nice sound, nice and warm with plent of depth. As for the Hi-Hats I used a C414, used to use a C1000 but when ever the hi-hats were open and hit I just ended up with a really awful sound, the C414 seems to have solved this though so I will stick with it. This is just what I use, I suppose it is down to what you are recording. I used these mic's for both a folk rock band and a grunge band with some nice results. Lee

As a drummer, I really don't care for the 57 as well. You know what? I have a pair atm31's that I used as overheads (over my akg c430's) for the first time in a session last week and was impressed with the smoothness at the top end. I've been tempted to use it on the snare as well. Thanks for the info

Also, if you have another input free, you could place a second mic under the snare. I've been using a ATM 63 in a concert hall (for both, snare and high-hat), because the first drummer we had destroyed the plastic of the SM 57. The only problem with not having a 57 is having to deal with the sound-man of the bands that tell us that it's not proffesional to not have 58 and 57. JC

a sm81 on the hat is not bad IMO

I think you really need 2 mics if you are recording snare. I use 2 SM57's. If I solo the snare on top, you just hear the attack and there isn't much character to it. Add in the bottom mic and then you have gotten your crackle and snare back. So whatever mics you choose to use, it REALLY helps to have a top and bottom mic.

It also helps if you reverse the phase on the mic under the snare

I like an Earthworks SR77 on the snare, usually just on the shell. For overhead IMO nothing beats 2 really small diaphragm omni's like Earthworks TC30k. 99% of the time I do not use the Hat mic, but I usually try an sm81 and spend time getting it placed for a decent sound.

Despite the fact that some see them as 'buget' mics, i think Rode do some fantastic work. I recently did a sesion and experimented with 2x NT3's for the snare (top and bottom) and an NT5 for the hats. I was surprised at how little spill i got, as they are all condensers and the results were great. A really solid and rich snare and smooth and bright, but not too crisp, hats. I was recording a good Premier drum kit, so i am sure that helped too...